European Stars And Stripes (Newspaper) - March 12, 1989, Darmstadt, Hesse                                Page 28 the stars and stripes sunday March a 1989 survivors cite problems at Dryden Ontario up survivors of a plane crash that tilled 24 peo ple in Central Canada said saturday that the air Ontario Jet seemed to Lack sufficient Power As 11 look off in a snowstorm and had been forced to reduce weight by dumping fuel at a previous Stop. Authorities on saturday found the Bod ies of 22 victims i n the charred wreckage Ina Forest about half mile from the runway at Dryden Airport. Two other people died in hospitals after Friday s crash. The victims killed in the afternoon crash of air Ontario right 363 included one american and Ali acc of the four Crew members. The a Okker f-28 Jet was bound for Winnipeg Manitoba with 65 passengers officials said. Norm Paseos a spokesman for trans port Canada the government transportation Agency in Ottawa said there was heavy Snow at the Lime of the trash and visibility was less than a mile. There was no official speculation about the cause of the crash but Passen Ger Ron Mandich of Green Bay wis., who suffered facial Burns whiplash and a fractured  said the plane seemed to be Labouring As it went Down the runway and lifted off. I remember saying of lord this could be the time i meet you but just Don t really think so,"1 Mandich said. And the fellow next to me was hysterical. He was thrashing and hollering and he was really out of his mind. It just seemed like there was t enough Power there to make it go. 1didn t know if it was because there was something wrong with the engines or i the plane was too heavy. 1 think it was the plane being too  Susan Godin 34, of Thunder Bay on Tario who survived the crash along Wither husband. Dan 37 and daughters Lori 15, and Danielle 11, said earlier thai the plane s Takeoff from Thunder Bay was delayed because it had 10 unload fuel to reduce weight. The plane filled to capacity had taken on additional fuel in Dryden be fore taking off for Winnipeg Godin said. All of a sudden 1 Felt some bumps Godin said describing 1 he crash. I Dort l Fly very much so i just thought we were having some turbulence. Then the stewardess who was in the scat in front of me she just yelled Duck we Slid on lop of the Trees it was a really slow Landing Godin said. Paul Mcknight vice president of the airline based in London,.Ontario, said inc plane was about 16 years old adding that the airline had Cyl to be Able to de Termine whether the plane had any pre Vious problems. A passenger list was not immediately made available but at least two . Citi Zens were among the survivors Man Dich and Paul tagger of App Teton wts., both employees of Val Mcl paper machinery in Appleton. Fare slashing Eastern shuttle picks up business Miami a labor rallies boosted the spirits of striking Eastern airlines workers saturday while the struggling Carrier attracted travellers like gang Busic to its bargain Northeast shuttle and worked to restore routes. Aircraft were again reported lying near capacity on the second Day of $12 fares on the Northeast shuttle linking new York with Washington and bos ton once Eastern s most profitable service. The pre strike fare was $99. The shuttle s going like gangbusters said East Ern spokesman Robin Matyll this 2 fare has just created a tremendous groundswell of interest in travelling Between the  Joe Scott an Eastern spokesman in new York said the shuttle remained popular saturday but ticket lines Ai la Guardia Airport were not As Long As they we re Friday Matyll suggested the Solidarity of pilots Honorins machinists Union picket lines might be cracking. We have More than 200 pilots now and yesterday we had inquiries from about 300 pilots inquiring about procedures for returning to work he said. But air line pilots association spokesman Jim Bast an Eastern Pilot for four years discounted that report saying so far they Are still hanging tight with us. As far As we can Tell the line is still holding  machinists Leader Frank Ortis said the pickets resolve was unwavering despite urgings from East Ern to return to work. Meanwhile corporate shuffling  Parent Texas air corp. Continued As Eastern express anon Union commuter Carrier that fed Eastern flights was renamed Continental express. Non Union Continental airlines another Texas air company has picked up some Eastern routes since the strike began March 4. Picketing continued at airports in Miami new York Washington arid other cities. The machinists Union was drafting its Legal response to Eastern s chapter 11 financial reorganization petition filed thursday at  bankruptcy court in new  that filing paychecks for All but the car Rier s 1,500 remaining employees have been held up. The s.500 machinists were scheduled to be paid Friday. Workers suffered fresh blows Friday when East Ern confirmed that medical coverage had been sus Pended for 600 workers and at least four South Flor Ida store chains refused to accept checks drawn on the Eastern airlines Federal , which is unaffected by the strike. Spoke with the couple quoted mrs. Rog ers As saying thank god this did not happen on thursday because 1 was carrying six children in the Van that morn ing. She teaches fourth Grade at la Jolla country Day school. Rogers was in command of the Vin Cennus a guided missile Cruiser based in san a Togo when it exchanged fire with iranian speedboats in the persian Gulf last july 3. During the Battle an aircraft  thought was an iranian pm. Tighter appeared on the . Warship s High tech radar. After the plane failed to Rogers said military personnel san respond to warnings on civilian and Mili lion cd abroad realize they re in peril but tary channels Rogers gave the order to. Shoot it Down. Blast from Page 1 two telephoned death threats from Callen who said they were acting in response to the jetliner s destruction. Rogers reaction to the Van bombing was one of disbelief said a Friend . Rep. Rill Lowery. Rogers had t expected his family to be exposed to danger in the United slates said Lowry r Calif. R lion no one expects you have to be worrying about your wives and kids Back Home Lowery quoted Rogers As saying. Sen. Pete Wilson r-Calif., who also. The aircraft was actually an iranian Airbus a-300, a civilian Jet wih 290 peo ple aboard. All died when the plane was hit by a Vincennes missile. Rogers later said that he regretted the deaths but that his decision was made in defense of his ship and Crew. The skipper was backed by the Reagan administration which also Ducci duct to compensate the victims families. But after the shooting Iran s Ayalon Lah Ruhollah Khomeini called for War against the United states. Mrs. Rogers was driving alone to school and a is stopped at a red Light when the bomb exploded about 7 45 . Friday. The pipe bomb pieces of which were recovered  on the underside of the White Toyota Van police spokesman Bill Robinson said. An unidentified official told the los Angeles times that mrs. Rogers thought her Van had been rear ended when she heard the two popping noises and got out. To look for damage. ,.she got out just As it blew said Kurt Lent a construction worker the couple was taken to an Undis closed and protected location a Navy spokesman said. Their son who attend Colgate University was notified and was offered Protection the Fri said. The Navy increased its Security at Sandiego s Navy base and other facilities. Navy chief Petty officer Craig . Other Vincennes Crew members and their families were notified and they were urged  precautions they deemed necessary. The Vincennes resumed from its six Norith persian Gulf deployment  Tober. It remains in port and Rogers re Mains its skipper. Soviets from pager ing positions of the East Ano West for the two sets of talks. In the first set which involves 16 nato and seven Warsaw pact nations and is called the negotiations unconventional armed forces in Europe the goal is to reduce the threat of War by eliminating the ability of either Side to launch a sure Csc attack. The other talks on Confidence and Security building measures  at enhancing european Security by in proving ways of monitoring each nation s military activities. These involve is nations including 12 Neutral countries. Other than reports on each other s Progress there is no link Between the two sets of talks in the talks on conventional forces proposals from both sides agreed in principle on the need to reduce military forces to a Point where neither Side is capable of launching a Surprise attack or a Large scale offensive action. Both Side expressed a commitment to eliminating disparities in con Van Libya forces and a publishing mandatory on Ite inspections to verify agreements. But disagreements already have surfaced Over the types of weapons to include in the negotiations. The nato proposal focuses Only on tanks armoured personnel earners and artillery while the soviets insist on including combat aircraft attack helicopters and troops. This is maybe now the most serious Issue Grinovsky said. The soviet Delegate noted that the talks mandate participants to concentrate on weapons that create the possibility of Surprise or Large scale attack. Referring to the nato proposal. Grinovsky asked arc these three enough to solve this problem this is a Confer ence on conventional arms. And these conventional arms Are excluded from the nato position. Welt i Don t understand such  Ledogar however does not believe the soviets really Are serious about addressing aircraft in the talks saying the West historically has been unable to pin the soviets Down on their own aircraft holdings if we got inc aircraft and the numbers of them properly identified the soviets would probably with draw their proposal he said. They want to Deal with aircraft the Way they count  two sides also differ on the amount of weapons to be Cut. Cuts proposed by the Warsaw Hart actually Are deeper than nato wants with inc soviet bloc calling for reductions in weapons 10 percent to is percent below the lowest Levels held by either Side nato s proposal would Cut about ,5 percent below current lowest  soviet bloc believes reductions can be achieved in three phases from 1991 to 199a, participant would eliminate All imbalances. Between 1994 to 1997, the pact proposes a 25 percent Cut it the armed forces of both sides during the third stage from 1997 to2000, the armed forces of both sides would be Given a strict defensive character. Nato on the other hand offers no timetable we on the West arc quite anxious not to put deadlines on ourselves Ledogar said we think it s unwise to negotiate against a deadline on something this import  there is More Hope for immediate Success in the talks on Confidence building measures the foundation of which is an agreement forged two years ago i Stockholm. Since then More than 35 military activities in 12 countries have been formally observed by representatives of other participating states. However the West wants to clarify the Stockholm agreement while the East wants to broaden it to in clude restrictions  exercises and the monitoring of naval and air forces but nato which operates at a numerical disadvantage needs to conduct frequent Large exercises Loen sure military readiness said John marcs a who Heads the . Delegation to the Security building talks. For these reasons constraints could Only come after reductions in forces he said. Constraints made outside reductions would Only add to soviet advantages. Although the differences appear Large Bolh Side said they were not severe enough to kill the negotiations maybe the first lesson for me As a negotiator when first see the nato paper and the Warsaw paper is to wonder if it is possible to Lay Bridges Between these two approaches or arc they just so degrees apart Grinovsky said. In spite of the differences. It is  s