European Stars and Stripes (Newspaper) - January 7, 1992, Darmstadt, Hesse                                Tuesday january 7, 1992 the stars and stripes a Page 23scoreboard pro football playoffs glance All times est first round saturday Dae. 28 Kansas City 10, la raiders 6 Atlanta 27. New Orleans 20 sunday dec. 29 Dallas 17, Chicago 13 Houston 17, new York jets 10 second round saturday s results Washington 24, Atlanta 7 Denver 26. Houston 24 sunday s results Buffalo 37, Kansas City 14 Detroit 38, Dallas 6 conference championships sunday s games Denver at Buffalo 12 30 . Detroit at Washington 4 . Super bowl sunday Jan. 26 at Minneapolis acc Champion is. Pfc Champion pro bowl sunday feb. 2 at Honolulu acc is. Pfc Bills 37, chiefs 14 Kansas City.0 0 7 7-14 Buffalo.7 10 7 13-37 first Quarter but Reed 25 pass from Kelly Norwood kick14 08. Drive 80 Yards 8 plays. Key plays Kelly 15 pass to Lofton offsides penalty on  on 3rd and 2 gives Bills first Down Kelly 19 pass to Beebe on 3rd and 7 Buffalo 7, Kansas City 0. Second Quarter bul Reed 53 pass from Kelly Norwood kick4 25. Drive 69 Yards 4 plays. Buffalo 14, Kansas City 0. Buffy Norwood 33, 14 58. Drive 39 Yards 9 plays. Key plays  5 run on 3rd and 1,  4 run on 3rd and 2. Buffalo 17, Kansas City 0. Third Quarter Bui Lofton 10 pass from Kelly Norwood kick3 07. Drive 36 Yards 6 plays. Key plays Jackson 6 interception return Kelly 10 pass to Beebe. Buffalo 24, Kansas City 0. Kcf word 3 run Lowery kick11 52. Drive 43 Yards 4 plays. Key plays marts 12 interception return Vlasic 20 pass to Barnett Vlasic 21 pass to Hayes Buffalo 24, Kansas City 7. Fourth Quarter Buie Fig Norwood 20, 4 06. Drive 68 Yards 14 plays. Key plays Maas offsides penalty on 3rd and 2 gives Bills first Down Davis 2 run on 4th and 1  19 run. Buffalo 27, Kansas City 7. Buie Fig Norwood 47, 5 52. Drive 2 Yards 4 plays. Key play Lsmith interception at chiefs 31. Buffalo 30, Kansas City 7. But Davis 5 run Norwood kick10 03. Drive 33 Yards 6 plays. Key plays Hicks interception at chiefs 33 Davis 3 run on 3rd and 2 Davis 12 run. Buffalo 37, Kansas Chy 7.  20 pass from Vlasic Lowery kick12 53. Drive 75 Yards 8 plays. Key plays Vlasic 13, 11 and 14 passes to Mcnair. Buffalo 37, Kansas City 14. A-80.182. No-shows�?49. Pc but first Downs 14 29 Rushing 4 13 passing 9 12 penalty 1 4 third Down eff 5-12 7-14 fourth Down eff 0-0 1-1 total net Yards 213 448 total plays 54 82 avg gain 3.9 5.5 net Yards Rushing 77 180 rushes 24 46 avg per Rush 3 2 3 9 net Yards passing 136 268 completed att. 14-29 23-35 Yards pass play 4.5 7.4 sacked yes lost 1-10 1-5 had intercepted 4 3 punts avg. 7-40 3-33 total return yardage 87 62 punts returns 1-11 4-32 kickoffs returns 4-48 2-24 interceptions 3-28 4-6 penalties yes 10-59 6-40 fumbles lost 3-0 0-0 time of Possession 25 51 34 09 individual statistics Rushing Kansas City word 15-50, h. Williams 8-24, Mcnair 1-3. Buffalo- 22100, Davis 19-75, Reed 1-6. Kelly 1-2, Reich 3- mus 3. Passing Kansas City Deberg 5-9-0-22, Vlasic 9-20-4-124. Buffalo Kelly 23-35-3-273, Reich 0-0-0-0. Receiving Kansas City Mcnair 5-52, f Jones 3-31, Birden 2-19, Hayes 1-21, Barnett 120, b Jones 1-2,  1-1. Buffalo Beebe 677, Mckeller 5-34, Reed 4-100.  4-21, lotion 3-34, Edwards 1-7. Tackles assists sacks Kansas City Cherry 8-2-0. Randle 7-5-0, marts 7-2-0, Ross 7-00, Burruss 6-1-0,  5-1-0, Sims 5-0-0, d Thomas 4-0-1, Saleaumua 4-0-0, Everett 3-0-0, Pearson 2 10, Maas 2-0-0, Griffin 2-00,  2-0-0, Alt 1-0-0, Saxon 10-0, Mcnair 10-0, f Jones 1-0-0, Hayes 1-0-0, Porter 010, Holohan 0 10. Buffalo Bailey 5-1-0, Bennett 5-10, Talley 4 3-0, seals 4-1-0, Conlan 3-10, Wright 3-1-0, Jackson 3-0-0, Odomes 3-00. Pike 3-00, Lsmith 2 11, Bentley 2 0-0. Kelso 2-00,  1-00, b Smith 1-0-0. Gardner 100, Rolle 10-0, Ritcher 1-00, Ballard 1-0-0. Lofton 1-00. Interceptions Kansas City Cherry Marls Everett. Buffalo a Jackson 2, , Hicks. Missed Field goals none. Officials referee Pat Haggerty ump Bob Boylston he Aaron Pointer u Bama Glass. Bed Hochuli. So Bill Carollo. Foj Jack Vaughan replay Tom Kelleher alternate Rex Stuart time 3 11 Lions 38, cowboys 6 Dallas.3 3 0 0-6 Detroit .7 10 14 7-33 first Quarter det Green 31 pass from Kramer Murray Kex. 3 31 Dave 68 Yards. 5 plays. Key plays Kramer 11 pass to Moore Kramer 13 pass to Farr Kramer 13 pass to Green. Detroit 7, Omaha 0. Dal Fig Willis 28, 14 50. Dave 85 Yards 10 plays key plays Beuerlein 17 and 18 passes to Irvin. Smith 18 run Detroit 7, Dalas 3. Second Quarter Del Jenkins 41 interception return Murray kick. 8 18 Detroit 14, Taliaa 3. Dal Fig Willts 28, 12 02. Dave 55 Yards 7 plays key plays Smith 19 run Beuer Tesi 16 pass to Harper plus 14-Yard roughing the passer penalty on frit Chett Detroit 14, Dallas 6. Det Fig Murray 36, 14 33. Dave 57 Yards 11 plays key plays Kramer 11 pass to More. Kramer 20 pass to Farr Detroit 17, Taliaa 6. Third Quarter Del Green 9 pass from Kramer Murray kick. 13.41. Drive 80 Yards 7 plays key plays Kramer 15 passes to Green and Farr j Jones 9-Yard rough ing the passer penalty Detroit 24, Dallas 6. Del Moore 7 pass from Kramer Murray kick. 14 46. Drive 27 Yards. 4 plays. Key plays v Jones recovery of Aikman Tumble at cowboys 27, Kramer 20 pass to Green. Detroit 31, Dallas 6. Pro hockey skiing National hockey league a times est Wales conference Patrick division fourth Quarter Detz Sanders 47 run Murray kick7 04 Dave Washington new York rangers 47 Yards. 2 plays. Detroit 36, Dallas 6. Pittsburgh. A�?79,835. No-shows-1,545 dal Del new Jersey. New York islanders first Downs 16 23 Philadelphia Rushing 4 3 passing 11 19 Montreal. Penalty third Down eff 1 1 Boston. 1-9 2 8 Hartford. Fourth Down eff 0-1 0-0 Buffalo. Total net Yards 276 421 Quebec. Total plays 54 55 avg gain net Yards Rushing 5.1 7 7 97 84 rushes 22 16 Detroit. Avg per Rush 4 4 5.3 is Louis. Net Yards passing 179 337 Chicago completed att. 18 29 29 38 Minnesota. Yards pass play 5.6 8 6 Toronto. Sacked of yes lost 3-26 1-4 had intercepted 2 0 Vancouver. Punts avg. 5-45 5-46 Winnipeg. Total return yardage 126 116 Calgary. Punts returns 1-18 2-26 los Angeles. Kickoffs returns 6-108 3-49 Edmonton. Interceptions 0-0 2-41 san Jose. Penalties yes 3 19 4-39 Calgary 3, e fumbles lost 3-2 0-0 time of Possession 30 21 29 39 w l t Pis of a Home away div. 26 13 3 55 184 139 12 6 1 14 7 2 13 7 026 15 1 53 160 138 13 5 1 13 10 0 11 8 0 23 14 4 50 189 151 10 7 4 13 70 12 10 2 .20 14 6 46 152 117 13 5 2 7 9-4 7 9-4 .13 20 6 32 145 165 7 84 6 12 2 6 7-3 .12 19 7 31 107 131 7 74 5 12-3 3 11-3 Adams division. 27 14 2 56 136 93 16 5 0 11 92 12 6 2 .18 17 5 41 139 143 12 62 6 113 8 6 2 15 18 5 35 121 134 8 8 5 7 10-0 7 8 313 20 6 37 123 140 9 7 4 4 13 2 5 10 3 .11 24 5 27 127 160 11 9 1 0 15 4 6 8 2 Campbell conference Norris division w l t Pis of a Home away div 25 11 4 54 164 127 15 5 0 10 6 4 11 5 2 18 15 7 43 140 134 14 4 2 4-115 7 9 j 17 17 9 43 147 138 13 64 4 115 6 8 4 17 18 3 37 122 131 11 7 2 6 111 9 7 310 27 5 25 109 159 7 t 3 15 3 5 9 2 myths division .22 12 7 51 145 j in 14 4 4 8 8 3 1? 6 31717 8 42 127 137 11 8 2 6 9 6 5 7 5 17 18 5 39 147 140 9 6 3 8 12 2 8 9 216 16 7 39 144 151 9 7 5 7 9 2 9 8 4 16 20 6 38 145 159 9 7 3 7 13 j 9 9 49 29 3 21 101 173 8 112 1 18 1 6 10 2 individual statistics Rushing a Dallas  15-80, Agee 3-12, Johnston 1-3, Beuerlein 1-2, Aikman 2-0 Detroit Sanders 12-69, Overton 3-17, Ware 1 minus 2. Passing a Dallas Beuerlein 7-13-1-91, Aikman 11-16-1-114. Detroit Kramer 29-38-0-341, Ware 0-0-0-0. Receiving Dallas Irvin 5-84, Harper 4-56, Novacek 4-55, Wright 1-7, Johnston 1-3, await 1-2, e. Smith 1-2, Agee 1- minus 4. Detroit Green 8115, Moore 6-87, Farr 5-62, Sanders 5-30, Perri Man 3-18. Clark 2-29. Tackles assists sacks Dallas Bates 61-0, Hoff 6-0-0, Brown 5-2-0, Norton 4-4-0, Gant 42-0,  4-0-0, Hill 4-0-0. Horton 3-2-0, Tolbert 2-1-0, Washington 2-0-0, Jet coat 1-1-0,  1-0-1, Hendrix 1-0-0, Del Rio 0-3-0, Maryland 0-1-0, Pruitt 0-1-0. Detroit Jamison 5-1-0, Blades 5-0-0, Jenkins 4-2-0, Crockett 4-1-0, Mil bum 4-0-0, Spielman 3-3-0, Owens 3-2-1, v. Jones 3-2-0,  2-5-0, Noga 2-0-0, Tennell 2-0-0. Alexander 2-0-0, Hayworth 1-2-1,  1-2-0, Bell 1-1-0, up idler 1-1-0, Pritchett 1-1-0, Hunter 10-1, Scott 1-0-0. Interceptions Dallas none. Detroit Jenkins. Spielman. Missed Field goals none. Officials referee Gordon Mccarter ump Ben Montgomery he Jeff Bergman u Jim quirk by Tom Sifferman so Bill Quinby Foj Bill Schmitz replay Dave Hawk. Time 2 56. Sunday result Chicago 5. Minnesota 2 monday games Winnipeg at n y rangers 7 35  St Louis a Toronto 7 35  tuesday s games 35  Buffalo Al Philadelphia 7 35  7 35 . Minnesota Al Washington. 7 35 p in san Jose at Vancouver 10 35  n y. Islanders at Detroit 7 los Angeles Al Pittsburgh Golf Ben Hogan Pebble Beach Calif. A final scores sunday in the $400,000 Ben Hogan Peb to Beach invitational played on the 6,799-Yard, Par-72 Pebble Beach Goff links course Loren Roberts Mike Reid Keith Clearwater Tom Lehman David Edwards Russ Cochran Steve Pate Russell Beiersdorf Roger Rowland Dou Tewell Rick Fehr Tom Byrum Dave Stockton Duffy Waldorf Brian Mogg George Archer Jeff Brehaut Chip Beck Lindy Miller Esteban Toledo Bob Gilder Mark Brooks Dick Lotz Roger Mattie Date Riley Dillard Pruitt a Bob Ford Kenny Perry Jett Wilson Barry Jaeckel Lon Hinkle Brad Britton Don january Willie Wood Pete Jordan Howard Twitty Jim Hallet Kirk Triplett Gary Mccord Johnny Miller Juli Inkster David Stockton or Charlie Epps Bretl upper olm Browne Danny Edwards Brian Claar Alan Tapie Cindy Rarick Charlie Gibson Mike Springer Amy Alcott 74-68-70-69-281 69-70-73-71-283 68-72-72-72-284 74-73-70-67-284 71-67-72-75-285 73-68-72-72-285 70-75-73-67 285 70-72-71-73-286 72-71-72-72-287 74-69-73-71-287 78-69-69-72 288 70-75-72-71-288 72-72-72-73-289 73-74-71-71-289 70-75-74-70 289. 74-72-72-71-289 70-74-73-72-289 70-71-74-74-289 72-76-71-71-290 74-74-74-68 290 73-76-72-70 291 70-76-75-70 291 72-73-74-72-291 73-70-76-73 292 74-73-75-70-292 77-73-72-71 -293 70-76-74-73-293 73-72-74-74 -293 72-71-76-74 293 73-71-75-74 -293 73-73-72-75 -293 74-71-73-75 293 73 77-72-72-294 75-72-74-73-294 69-74-75-76 294 72-74-72-76-294 74-71-77-73-295 74 71-79-71-295 72 77-72-74-295 70 72-77-76-295 73-72 73-77-295 80-69-74-73 296 75-71 77 73-296 75 71 75-75 296 74-75-70-77 296 76-74-74-73-297 71 >6-78-72-297 77 72 76-72-297 74 76 74-73 297 71 74 77 75-297 74 78 71-74 297 70 77 75 77-299 flames 3, oilers 2 Calgary.1 1 1-3 edmonton0 1 1-2 first period �?1, Calgary Ranheim 13 fleury7 31. Second period 2, Calgary Roberts 24 Makarov in Ouwendyk. 9 03. 3, Edmonton Klima 13 Simpson. Lamb16 54. Third period�?4. Calgary Fleury 23 Ranheim forslund7 34 5. Edmonton Damphousse 21 Lamb. Klima19 31. Shots on goal Calgary 7-3-11 21 Edmonton 59-7-21. Power play opportunities Calgary 0 of 4 Edmonton 0 of 7 goalies Calgary Vernon 14-14-5 21 shots-19 saves. Edmonton Foster 1-1-0 21-18. A-17,503. Blackhawk 5, North stars 2 Minnesota.0 1 1-2 Chicago. 1 3 1 -5 first period a 1. Chicago Brown 6 Sutter. 8 14. Second period-2, Chicago Larmer 28 Romeck goulet5 43. 3, Chicago Romeck 31 Larmer Kon royd7 42 so. 4, Minnesota Dahlen 17 Duchesne b.smith1311. 5, Chicago Romeck 32 Sutter noonan14 54 up. Third period�?6, Minnesota Dahlen 18 Smith johnson19 27. 7, Chicago Goulet 10 Graham kucera19 59 up shots on goal Minnesota 8-6-14 -28 Chicago 5-18-8-31. Power play opportunities Minnesota 0 of 8. Chicago 2 of 8. Goal frs Minnesota Casey. 13-12 3 31 shots-28 saves. Chicago Belmoor 10-9-5 28-26. A -17,809. Scoring leaders new York a nil scoring loaders through games of Jan 2. Player team Lemieux pit Stevens pit Hull Sil Mullen. Pit Messier nor Gretzky la Leech nor Oates St Sakic que Housley mpg Romeck Chi Linden Van Burridge was Recchi pit Robitaille la Coffey pit Damphousse dem jagr pit Al Czvik mpg Larmer Chi Ronning Van Bourque bos internat l hockey league East Damion fort Wayne Muskegon Kalamazoo Milwaukee Indianapolis Kansas City Peoria san Diego Salt Lake City Phoenix monday s games no games scheduled tuesday s games Salt Lake City at Peoria Phoenix at san Diego american hockey league Northern Damion w l t pts of a Springfield 19 1 5 43 140 148 capital dist 17 13 7 41 127 125 Adirondack 18 20 1 37 165 165 new Havon 17 17 2 36 129 131 Maine 13 20 4 30 145 154 Southern division Binghamton 18 13 6 42 150 133 Baltimore 18 16 4 40 142 131 Hershey 16 15 8 40 144 142 Utica 19 18 3 41 144 166 Rochester 15 17 7 37 137 134 Atlantic division St John s 20 16 6 46 174 147 Fredericton 19 15 5 43 156 139 Cape Broton 17 17 3 37 159 154 Moncton 15 19 5 35 143 152 Halifax 11 20 10 32 145 179 sunday s results is John s 4, Binghamton 3 Halifax 6. Capital District 0 Utica 5, new Havon 2 monday s games no games scheduled tuesday s games Fredericton at Cape Beeton capital District Al St. John s East coast hockey league East division up g a pts  37 28 46 74 40 40 30 39 69 113 39 38 21 59 30 40 26 28 54 8 40 20 34 54 54 33 16 36 52 20 41 9 43 52 is 39 7 45 52 8 39 16 35 51 12 41 11 40 51 34 41 29 21 50 59 39 18 31 49 48 40 15 34 49 42 40 22 24 46 64 38 19 27 46 56 40 a 38 46 26 40 20 24 44 12 40 18 26 44 8 41 19 24 43 55 41 17 26 43 20 39 14 29 43 14 39 12 31 43 30 w l Oil offs of a Greensboro 23 9 2 48 165 130 Hampton roads 23 9 0 46 150 106 Richmond 18 11 2 38 148 127 Winston Salom 17 14 2 36 133 120 Knoxville 12 20 3 27 141 185 Roanoke it 17 3 25 132 173 Raleigh 11 21 2 24 107 149 West division w l Oil pts of a Toledo 24 6 1 49 181 108 Johnstown 19 11 2 40 137 129 Cincinnati 16 10 4 36 150 127 Dayton 16 12 2 34 151 146 Erie 14 11 3 31 131 125 Columbus 13 17 5 31 147 181 Louisville 12 18 4 28 147 180 Nashville 12 17 3 27 128 160 note two Points Are awarded Lor a Victory and w l Oil Pis of a 26 11 2 54 161 130 21 12 7 49 156 147 18 17 4 40 139 153 15 20 4 34 136 153 13 19 5 31 117 143 weat div Loki 34 8 1 69 158 118 20 14 4 44 155 140 20 15 3 43 155 149 17 20 3 37 127 146 12 22 5 29 122 151 its Are awarded Lor a Victory and one Tor an overtime or shootout loss. Sunday s result Milwaukee 5. San Diego 4. So one Lor an overtime or shootout loss. Sunday s results Erie 7, Richmond 5 Columbus 7, Roanoke 4 monday s games no games scheduled tuesday s games Erie at Greensboro Louisville at Raleigh College hockey sunday s scores East Providence 3. Alaska Anchorage 2 mk3west tournament of Star classic championship Maine 4. Lowell 2 Salem slats classic championship Salem St 4. A Irinia 1 third pics Fitchburg is 5, mass Dartmouth 4 Ausna. T 44 >6 1 45 01 55 67 1 45 4/ 55 45 1 45 57 55 17 1 45 65 56 07 men s world cup Kranska Gora. Yugoslavia api results sunday of a men s work cup ski race slalom 1 Albedo Tomba. Italy. 1 minute. 40 84 seconds 52 71 48 1j 2 Annin Bittner. Germany 1 42 62 53 74 48 88 3 finn Christian Jagge. Norway. 1 42 78 53 76 49 021 Quot 4 Marc Gira Rielli. Luxembourg 1 -13 09 54 03 49 06 5 Paul Areola Switzerland t 43 44 54 53 48 911 6 Peter Roth. Germany. 1 43 71 54 92 48 79 7 Patnock staub. Swat Oriand. 1 44 13 5-1 47 a 49 86 8 Konrad Lack Statter. Italy. 1 44 51 55 78 48 73 9 tax Xmas Stingas Smogor. 55 32 49 441 10 Richard Pra Motton. Italy. 49 34 11 Roger Pra Motton. Linly. 1 45 33 55 52 49 81 12 Chistophe Berra. Switzerland 1 45 36 55 16 50 20 13 Beinli Aid egstrom. Austria 50 02 14 Olivet Kuenzi Switzerland. 49 90 15 Dink marksmen Norway 49 78 16 cd Mustian policy Italy 1 46 41 56 21 50 201 17 Stetan Stiert Sartor Austria 1 46 64 56 04 50 60 18 Cailo Gerosa. Italy. I 46 94 56 56 50 38 19 Fyhn to Tescari. Italy. 1 47 66 57 35 50 31 20 Harald Chr strand Nilsen Norway 1 4 7 74 56 70 51 0-1 21 Heinz Peter Plattor. Italy. 1 48 06 57 15 50 93 22 stove Lonchor Switzerland. 1 48 10 57 12 50 98 23 Joe Levins Whito boar Lako. Minn. 1 49 4 7 57 15 52 32 24 Jure Kosir. Skive la 1 49 12 58 03 52 09 25 Willy Ramo Canada. 1 50 39 57 68 52 71 slalom standings 1 Tot non. 460 2 Jagge 3-16 3 Accola. 337 4 Ole Christian Furuseth. Norway. 190 5 Girardelli. 188 6 Bittner 1 72 7 Gerosa. 1 70 8 Fathio do Angnis Italy 162 9 Roth. 155 10 lads Tatlor. 151 11 Tomas Fogdog Sweden. 14 1 12 egstrom. 128 13 . 121 14 Pali co Bianchi Franco 113 15 Guenther Mador. Austria 90 Overall standings 1 tonin. 800 2 Accola. 675 3 Gitar Dolli. 408 4 Jagge. 346 5 fun Moth 344 6 Lonchor. 237 7 Hans Pieron. Switzerland 227 8 Franz Hoin Zor. Switzerland 207 tie Bittner. 207 10 Roth. 206 11 Michael von guru Nilgun Switzerland 1118 12 Atlo skaardal Norway 183 13 Roberto spa Patti Italy 1 79 14 Gioiosa 170 Tio Fabio do Angnis Linly 170 16 Sergio Bergamo Fri Italy 162 lie Franck Piccard. Naly 162 18 Leonhard Slock Ausna 160 19 Johan Wal not Sweden 158 20 a j Kitt Roch Ostor. By 155 women s giant slalom Ober Taufen Germany final results Sun Day of a women s world cup giant slalom Vreni Schmo Dot. Switzerland Pagnoni. Italy Carole Merle France Blanca Fernandez Ochoa.  Eva Tward Okens. U s Ingrid Salven motor. Ausna permits Wiberg. 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